Pueblo: A Class Rolling Tobacco

My friend in Ireland told me about Pueblo. On my last three trips to Spain, I have bought, among other things, 10 pouches x 30 g of Pueblo at a price of about €4.50 each. So I have 900 g of Pueblo. If I hand-rolled my home-made cigs, I suppose that I could get something like 1500 cigs. But I use a tubing machine. My machine can accept Ritzla Concept tubes, but they are a bit tight. It is really designed for American tubes, which have a diameter which is slightly greater than Ritzla. Thus, it turned out that I managed to make 31 cigs out of 30 g of Pueblo, rather than, say, 50. But there is an upside. My tubed cigs last for about twice as long as the L & M cigs which I buy when I go on holiday.

Being a simple minded chap who does not really count the pennies, provided that he has quite sufficient pennies, I did not realise the discrepancy right away. What I noticed was that, when I was walking up to the pub, the L & M cigs died well before I got to the pub, whereas my home-made ones were still going strong when I arrived at the pub. I had to stand outside for a minute to finish the cig, or put it out. So I timed them. On the average, the L & M superkings (100 mm) lasted for 7.5 minutes, whereas my home-made ones lasted about 14 minutes. No doubt commenters will say that TobComs put accelerators in the tobacco, and they may, but my own thinking is that TobCom tobacco is cut into minute particles which are very loosely packed in the cigs. When you handle such a cig, it feels quite firm, but you only need to squeeze a little for the tube to compress easily.

I have been intending to do a little experiment for some time, but have never got round to it. I have done the experiment tonight. I took a pack of 20 cigs, broke them up and took the tobacco out. I weighed the tobacco. The weight was 15 g, which 0.75 g per cig. My homemade ones weigh about 1 g. I have checked.

But there is something else to be noted. When I ripped those cigs apart, the tobacco was soft. That means that the tobacco is a bit damp. I know that from experience of tubing – if the tobacco is dry, it is very difficult to tube cigs. The tobacco needs to be soft enough to compress easily.

The cigs in a packet are protected by silver foil inside the packet, and by the cardboard of the packet and by being sealed inside cellophane. Thus, the dampness (water) in the cigs is preserved.

I don’t know if there is any legal requirement of the weight of a cig, but I understand that the accepted weight is 0.8 g of tobacco. But cigs used to come in all shapes and sizes – slims like ‘More’, which were brown, slim and long, and Passing Cloud, which were fat. No one gave a toss about the weight per cig. But you did not need to. ‘Quality’ was integral to the reputation of brands.

After PP, quality is irrelevant. There are no brands. Cheapest is best. ‘Standardisation’ can only mean lowest quality tobacco, with consequent increased risks. I mean, no checks on radioactive elements in the soil in which the plants are grown. Things like that. Why should anyone check such things when only medical porn on the packets matters? TobComs might check such things as radioactivity, but ‘criminal gangs’ cannot and will not.

What it comes down to is that ‘Political Gangs’ in Parliament did not think about the the long term consequences of The General Smoking Ban. Without any due consideration, they ostracised and criminalised not just smokers, but anyone who ‘permitted’ smoking.

What a terrible thing to do! It is easy to see where such criminalisations lead to.

But there is a difference which few people notice. ‘Positively to do’, such as drive in the UK on the left-hand side, is far, far different from ‘Negatively not to do’. True, we have ‘No Entry’ signs, but such signs are not really as negative as they seem.

I do not know how to phrase my thinking. Let me try.

There are actions which might injure the person who engages in such actions. EG. a golfer being hit by someone else’s ball. Thus, there are physical risks in golfing. That risk is a positive, real risk.

There are risks in walking outside from meteorites falling out of the sky. Those are neutral risks – it is impossible to defend against them.

And there are negative risks, which are small risks of a generalised nature, which only serve to frighten people.

I fear that TC has blundered into the category of Astrology rather than Astronomy: feelings rather than thought.

What is the greatest pity is that Politicians have been infected by the same bug.



23 Responses to “Pueblo: A Class Rolling Tobacco”

  1. Samuel Says:

    I recall drinking wine in Hungary…. There was, before the communists took over, a wine known as “Bikaver” from Egri (“bull’s blood”). It was a specialty wine made from only the best and ripest red grapes.
    It is still available (trade marked name).
    The communists crushed all the grapes into one “vat” and called the result of it all “Bikaver”. The quality was terrible, naturally.
    When the communists were gone some tried to revive the reputation of the brand but found that several wineries “owned” the trade marked name and sold the same, named, wine in all the same markets, diluting any sense of quality in the perception of buyers.

    A similar effect is achieved among tobacco marketers.
    Price no longer indicates quality.
    Taxes and monopoly protection of producers raise prices to unnatural levels while packaging restrictions prevent any reasonable distinctions between products.

    The result is equivalent to what the communists achieved with wine in Hungary. Nothing is good, everything is the same and quality is all reduced to the lowest possible level while the packaging tells buyers that everything is of the highest possible quality.

    • junican Says:

      An interesting example. Sam. It is an interesting vision that EU ‘standardisation by force’, similar to Communism, produces inferior and expensive products.

  2. elenamitchell Says:

    You mean you can’t believe what you read on the packet? Thank goodness for that.

  3. TheBlockedDwarf Says:

    Nisaki will be going a deep shade of green. He loves that Pueblo stuff (if I recall aright) and thanks to the new EU rules can’t get it sent to him in Greece anymore.

    • nisakiman Says:

      Bloody right. I used to get the Pueblo ‘Brown’ (brown packet), which was a blend of Burley and Java tobaccos. And of course, Pueblo is one of those manufacturers who produce ‘additive-free’ tobacco, as in just the tobacco, nothing else. No added ‘flavours’, preservatives or anything else.

      I was getting it from Germany for €4.50 / 30g, but thanks to the abomination of the TPD, the supplier can’t / won’t send it to me any more.

      God, I hate those unctuous arseholes in Tobacco Control.

      So I’m now paying €7.50 / 30g for Golden Virginia. (The Greek government has been going haywire bunging huge taxes on everything they can think of, and of course tobacco was an easy mark).

      Did I already say how much I despise all the cretins in TC?

      • junican Says:

        It cannot go on for much longer. I personally have no contacts which supply illicit tobacco in any form, but I suspect that many people have such contacts.
        What amazes me is how many people continue to buy excessively priced cigs. I see it sometimes in the local Coop – “Can I have 20 X?” The doors are slid open and 20X are extracted, handed over and added to the bill.
        Since it is quite easy to drive over to Hull and take the ferry across the channel at a cost of some £50, with entertainment included, but not meals, and buy stuff at half price, I cannot understand why people are so docile. Interest charges on a Credit Card are nowhere near the charges of taxation.

  4. michaeljmcfadden Says:

    ::picturing Glantz et al all dressed up as evil Astrologers:: :>

    Junican, re the commercial cig tobacco. Back when the governments started demanding by law that “tar and nicotine” contents be labeled and advertised for health reasons (as opposed to the NEW PP type laws where they’re not even ALLOWED to divulge such info on their packs! LOL!) the TComs found that an effective way to lower their numbers were to play the same game that bread companies played in producing “low calorie” versions by making their slices thinner: i.e. they “puffed up” the tobacco (Kind of like “Puffed Wheat” and “Puffed Rice” cereals!) so that the cigarettes would seem full, but they’d be full of fluffier tobacco… in actual smaller quantities! Basically the government politicians/apppointees collaborated with and encouraged the tobacco companies in a fraud to give the consumers less product (in a very deceptive manner) for the same price!

    – MJM, who’d like to put those politicians through some of their own puffer machines… (hmmm…. or maybe they’ve been through them already and that’s what their problem is…)

    • junican Says:

      I have read all about ‘expanded tobacco’. But there is a problem. The FACT is that each cig contains around 0.08 g of tobacco, even if it is expanded tobacco. But, there again, what WE consider to be minor matters, such as a diminution of the tobacco in cigs by 0.05 g, is an enormous saving for TobCoMs.
      Quality and consistency have been destroyed by TC. Who knows what TobcoMs put into their products?

  5. garyk30 Says:

    Negative Risk = the risk that something bad will happen, such as dying from lung cancer.

    Positive Risk = the Risk that something will not happen, such as not dying from lung cancer.

    The difference can be shown like this:
    Doll’s Doctor Study showed that; while smokers are many times more likely than neversmokers to die from lung cancer(negative Risk), smokers have the same probability as neversmokers of not dying from lung cancer(positive Risk).

    The same holds true for all of the disease deaths ’caused’ by smoking.

    • junican Says:

      That is what I was trying to say in a way. It comes down to ‘absolute risk’. Far more smokers got LC compared with non-smokers, but very few smokers got LC. So why did those very few smokers get LC? There must have been something different about them. Why did some 90+% of smokers die for other reasons?

  6. C.F. Apollyon Says:

    Hmmm…there is an air of don’t care in hare. (all puns prolly intended)

    Great read…but your “radioactive soil” comment really caught my eye, mainly because I’ve heard this modality espoused before. And the modality that I am thinking here, is an attitude of not caring under the banner of “they are gonna die anyway, so anything that augments that process so as to speed it up, serves em’ right.” I’m not a big believer in karma in the way and ways that “the west” tends to interpret it…but if anything would bring karma to the table, I would imagine this type of thinking would.

    Of course, you are all over variations and variants and variance in your writing, which dances around the concepts of “negligible aggregate” from any and all directions. The finite that ain’t so finite using standard accounting and economic principles. Especially when you get to the net and gross boxes via those negligible columns.

    EX: Noticing an inordinate amount of tomato skins in a can of peeled/skinless tomatoes. Noticing stems appearing in virtually every can of green beans. Noticing an inordinate amount of rocks in a package of dried beans.
    Basically…when trends = a trend = trends = trending. This says to me that someone and/or some are actively tending to the tinkerbox. Whether or not the tinkerbox becomes a tinderbox, only time will tell. There is much to be drawn from the tinkerbox. Especially when you consider who might actually be tending it. (think big, then think bigger, then think biggest, then think backwards as that relates back to you as an individual, then go back up…should give you an idea where you are in that process)

    Q: If the system is designed upon and about columns, how does division serve to support this house?
    A: I dunno the answer to this poetically posed question either, but this game of dehumanization via any and all means doesn’t seem to favor one side or the other.

    Very thoughtful and well written article. Thanks for it. 🙂

    • junican Says:

      I have read your contributions elsewhere, Appolion. I never quite ‘get’ what your argument is. You must be very clever. You speak in terms of MASSIVE generalisations.

      “Q: If the system is designed upon and about columns, how does division serve to support this house?”
      What on earth does that question mean? I have no idea.

  7. Timothy Goodacre Says:

    Hi Junican. I agree with you Pueblo is great tobacco ! My own favourite is Auld Kendal Gold Turkish which i tube in my Powermatic at the same weight as you about 1gr per cig. Results in a great longlasting cig. Incidentally Senior Service/Park Drive/Woodbine are back. The first two in Soft packs albeit crap medical porn packets.I’m told the cigs are as good tho. I’ll be getting some when i finish my Karelia Excellence I stockpiled in correct packaging ! Karelia have now done the dirty on their UK customers by withdrawing Excellence. Very disappointing ! What price loyalty eh ?

    • junican Says:

      Giggle. What a way to bugger up TC? “Senior Service/Park Drive/Woodbine are back”.
      We must be adaptable. Not in my wildest dreams would I buy Benson and Hedges on one of my trips. For how long have we been conned into believing that they are wonderfully superior? From now on, they have to PROVE THEMSELVES to be superior.
      How can they do that?

  8. beobrigitte Says:

    “Pueblo” is a wonderful tobacco and along with “American Spirit” my favourite one.

    I know that from experience of tubing – if the tobacco is dry, it is very difficult to tube cigs. The tobacco needs to be soft enough to compress easily.

    The cigs in a packet are protected by silver foil inside the packet, and by the cardboard of the packet and by being sealed inside cellophane. Thus, the dampness (water) in the cigs is preserved.

    A pouch of tobacco is sealed these days. The last time I bought duty-free tobacco (Amberleaf) I encountered the opposite problem: It was to wet to roll with the little machine I use. At home I’d leave it out for a bit to let it dry off a little, but where I stayed the humidity was >90% and my tobacco became even wetter.

    Pueblo and American Spirit are just right to roll a cigarette with using my little machine.

    • nisakiman Says:

      I’ve never used a machine to roll – I’ve always hand rolled my cigarettes, without a filter (I find the filters you can buy affect the draw to the detriment of the smoke). And when I was able to get my Pueblo from Germany, it was in a sealed package but too dry, to my mind. It burned too fast. (In fact, with the exception of Javaanse Jongens, another favourite of mine, I found all the tobaccos from Germany too dry). So I was in the habit of putting a couple of pieces of apple skin in the packet (my wife is an apple a day person) a day or two before I knew I’d be using it to moisten it to a point where it was easy to roll and gave a better smoke. Too dry = too harsh. And I prefer a mellow smoke.

      • junican Says:

        As I see it, ‘dry’ equals hard to tube. There is an optimum condition for a good smoke, which is why cigar humidors exist. I have to use ‘code’ to describe stuff.I get leaf. The leaf can vary in dampness.
        You should already know that my friend.

    • junican Says:

      Yes, Beo. Sometimes leaf is too damp and sometimes too dry. Both conditions are easily remedied, but a little patience is required. I put dry stuff into a plastic shopping bag and spray the stuff with water, and then seal the bag. It is a matter of experience about how much to spray. But one’s general experience of damping stuff is helpful. “Squirt, squirt, squirt” – enough. That is how we work out what to do. Damp stuff, as you say, is even easier to sort out – just leave the damp stuff in the open air for a few minutes.

    • michaeljmcfadden Says:

      “The last time I bought duty-free tobacco (Amberleaf) I encountered the opposite problem: It was to wet to roll with the little machine I use. At home I’d leave it out for a bit to let it dry off a little, but where I stayed the humidity was >90% and my tobacco became even wetter.”

      20 seconds in the microwave is your friend Brigitte! 🙂 Mwaves just agitate the water in things to make them hotter… there’s nothing harmful done to the food or tobacco. (Heh, just be sure you don’t put the FOIL PACKET in the mwave or you’ll get fireworks! Put the baccy in an open tupperware plastic container or somesuch. And maybe start out at just 10 seconds until you get a hang of the dryness you’re looking for. Doing about an ounce to two ounces at a time (about 30 cigs’ worth) seems to work best for me.

      In terms of using a machine: the little cheap plastic handrolled machines produce quite nice smokes very quickly. Unfortunately, the REAL speed demon hi-quality of the bunch, the V-Master from Canada which rolls a LONGGG one that you then drop into a slot and push a lever to chop into five normal smokes, has been out of production for almost ten years and the long papers for it are almost impossible to find… if they theymselves are still being produced at all. :/

      – MJM, a Rock ‘n Roller…

      • junican Says:

        I use the microwave quite often. Sometimes, the shredded leaf is a bit too damp to flake. I can judge how long to warm them for through experience. 10, 15, 20 seconds – rarely longer. I pick up the shreds and let them fall through my fingers a few times. Sometimes the leaf is even too damp to shred. The same applies. There is a reasonable ‘window’ where the leaf is in the right ‘case’ – feels dry but soft.

  9. TheBlockedDwarf Says:

    Junican, tried twice now to comment and they don’t show up.

  10. TheBlockedDwarf Says:

    Third attempt to answer Junican’s comment about Xborder shopping:
    Yes Junican it is quite easy to drive over but many people don’t want to risk their car. Personally I have started using the coach day trips. Infact I’m going over this week as it happens. A ticket costs £60, that is far less than the diesel and the eurotunnel ticket. Downside is of course it means being shut in a steel box with Norfolker Brits for 12 hours (ie Thermos flasks, cheese sandwiches and an inability to cope with the fact that France has ‘french time’ and that they, the French- and this might shock your readers- don’t speak English!). But I take a couple of diazepam before boarding at Far-Too-fucking-Early oClock and sleep until the first cig break then sleep again until the Chunnel.
    Even If I only brought back the ‘Minimum Indicative Level’ of 1 kg that would be a saving of £260 (saving £13 a 50g pack, you do the math).
    Last month was the first time I went and I was gob smacked by the amounts of tobacco the OAPS on board were paying cash sterling for, not an SOT between them and then the more alcoholic of them tanked up at Pidou, wheeling out amounts of cheap beer that even I , a former professional alcoholic, found impressive.

    *SOT= “Statement Of Truth”, a document N2D favours the use of to prevent Customs seizing your tobacco.

    • junican Says:

      Can’t imagine what happened to the first two – no signs in spam.

      I remember the SOT. I have never made one myself. I rely upon taking copies of my bank statements which show that I can easily afford my purchases. I think that the ability to pay is crucial. I don’t mean just a bank balance statement, which would prove nothing, if you have been given money to make the purchases. I mean account history over several months, showing transactions. Actually, I have never yet been stopped, nor are there customs officers hanging around. I think that it would be EXTREMELY difficult for the Gov to go back to checking everyone who is coming back from a holiday – the numbers are just too great. In fact, earlier today (I think), I read that the Gov has cut back staffing of Customs somewhat.
      When I went on the trip to Belgium, there were four of us. We took one car (not mine!). All we were interested in was tobacco. We all kept the receipts and had proof of our ability to pay. It was a very enjoyable weekend.

Comments are closed.

%d bloggers like this: