A Bit of Gossip, for a Change

It is sometimes intriguing how views of a blog vary. My little essay about ‘The Australian Law of Growing Tobacco Plants’ has always received some attention ever since I wrote it. Essentially, the OZ law forbids growing and even moving plants or seeds without a permit. But that law was enacted in 1901! One can only assume that weather conditions in Oz are perfect for growing tobacco plants, and the prohibition, in 1901, was to protect commercial growers. I should imagine that there are parts of Oz where the land is rather poor (just right for the cultivation of ‘bright leaf’) and that there are thousands and thousands of square miles of such land, virtually owner-less. In the right conditions (warm with some rainfall), I suppose that you could just scatter seeds on the sandy ground and they would sprout in profusion. But you need the seeds to do so, and so you need the plants to get the seeds.

Anyway, yesterday saw a fivefold increase in the views of that essay. I wonder why? I’m not going to give actually numbers – why should I tell TC how many millions of views that essay gets? Or tens, or hundreds, or whatever. Suffice to say that I wrote the essay in 2014, and it is interesting that it is still useful to Aussies.

The only reason that I wrote it was because of the date of the Act – 1901. What was the population of Oz in 1901? I do not know, but it is true that the mass migrations of Brits to Oz had not yet begun. They only started after WW2. But I suppose that the very convenient penalty for some crimes, in the 1800s, of deportation to Oz swelled the population enormously. Thank heavens for the Aristocrats! What would Oz be without them?

My only personal contact with Aussies was when a Man and Wife, and a friend, took over our local pub. They were a bit weird. Nice enough, but a bit ‘uncouth’, if you know what I mean. Their ‘culture’ seemed to have no nuances. It was black and white. Frankly, for the period of time that they ran the pub, it became less a neighbourhood pub and more a downtown bar. Shortly after Christmas, after about a year, they fled back to Oz, no doubt taking the Christmas takings with them and leaving the debts behind.

I sometimes think that the whole population of Oz is similar. Certainly, their politicians seem to be of that ilk. Even their academics, like Simple Simon Chapman, are rough. How do they cope with the muslim hordes, trying to get in? Oh, wait, they do not let them in. They transport them to an offshore island to be vetted. Maybe there is something to be said for being ‘rough’.

Readers will no bought be aware that this essay is prompted, to a certain extent, by the events in London. It is all terribly sad. But, forgive me if I draw a parallel with the ‘uncouthness’ of the Oz persons who owned my local pub for a while.

It is my belief that we can all rub along PROVIDED THAT The State does not interfere. I am not sure that ‘crime’ is sufficiently well described. The idea that smoking in a park can be a ‘crime’ is nonsense when confronted with what happened in London.

The only way that smoking in a park, in the open air, can become a crime is because the Police Authorities have been neutered. That must be true. The same applies to smoking in cars with kids present. Again, the Police Authorities must have been neutered. HOW COULD THAT HAPPEN? Academics, in their ivory towers, somehow dictate.

I really do not understand how we have come to such a pass.

Brexit is as nothing compared with the surrender of the whole civil service, Parliament, the courts, the police, to the control of the UNITED NATIONS FRAMEWORK ON TOBACCO CONTROL.

I think that I got the info from Dick P’s site, but I cannot find it now. It was a question from a smoker-friendly MP (Davies?) who asked why we were throwing some £15,000,000 at tobacco control in other countries. The reply was that we contribute to the FRAMEWORK CONVENTION. Could anything be worse? Protestations that the uses of the £15,000,000 are ‘monitored’ are a joke.

What do I personally think that should happen concurrent with Brexit?

First, the Alliance between the USA and Great Britain must be renewed.

Secondly, the purpose of the UN must be redefined so that it becomes a COURT, and not a FORCE.

Thirdly, LIBERTY must be emphasised. The phrase ‘The Free World’ was not an accident when Communist Russia threatened enslavement via its ‘from each according to his means, and to each according to his needs’.

It seems that every law which is passed restricts or diminishes our liberties. Years and years ago, we used to holiday at a caravan site called Lydstep Haven. In the 1960s and 70s, it was wonderful. People vied to get the best spots. One of the best spots overlooked the beach and was the PERFECT place. In front of the caravans, was a sward of grass, but there was a drop of some 5 metres down to the beach.

Was that OK? Oh no. Along came ‘The Local Authority’ which decreed that a fence must be erected to stop people from blundering over the edge, and tumbling down a 5 metre slope.

That fence acted like Plain Packaging. We still enjoyed that site, but the ‘beauty’ was lost. Instead of a perfectly open view of the beach and the sea, we saw a fence.

But what is important is that the ‘Plain Packaging Uglification’ did not deter us from booking year after year. We really enjoyed our hols at Lydstep Haven. What buggered things up eventually was that that the owners stopped us from booking the same caravan for the same time next year.

But that was in the days of innocence before the UN and the WHO decided that Smokers are criminals, murdering their neighbours and children all over the world.

You do not need to have prohibition of tobacco if you can convince people that smokers are murderers.


16 Responses to “A Bit of Gossip, for a Change”

  1. Darryl Says:

    “One can only assume that weather conditions in Oz are perfect for growing tobacco plants, and the prohibition, in 1901, was to protect commercial growers”.

    Used to be a lot of tobacco grown here in Oz. As I understand it the tobacco companies were the ones issued with government permits to grow tobacco and farmers got their seed from them and sold all their crop to them. When the tobacco companies moved their production operations to low wage countries that was the end of tobacco growing in Oz.

    “they fled back to Oz, no doubt taking the Christmas takings with them and leaving the debts behind.”

    Sounds like the spirit of Arthur Delaney and the Kangaroo Gang lives on. LOL

  2. Rose Says:

    Anyway, yesterday saw a fivefold increase in the views of that essay. I wonder why?

    Could it be because of this?

    All over the Australian papers yesterday.

    Police uncover illegal tobacco farm in southern NSW worth over $11m
    March 23, 2017

    The Australian Taxation Office and police raided a tobacco farm in Callemondah Rd, Shannons Flat, discovering 92,000 tobacco plants, more than two tonnes of tobacco leaves, $15,000 in cash, a shot gun and ammunition.

    The estimated value of the excise avoided on the tobacco seizure about 40km northwest of Cooma is more than $11.77 million.”

  3. Timothy Goodacre Says:

    I won’t be stopping smoking in parks Junican for anyone ! Just heard the bad news this morning that George Karelias Excellence are being discontinued in the UK. Another casualty of plain packaging.

    • junican Says:

      Who goes to parks? I don’t think that I have been in a park for decades.

      • Timothy Goodacre Says:

        I love a walk through our local park Junican. It would probably do you good as well !

  4. michaeljmcfadden Says:

    “But that was in the days of innocence before the UN and the WHO decided that Smokers are criminals, murdering their neighbours and children all over the world. You do not need to have prohibition of tobacco if you can convince people that smokers are murderers.”

    Very true. Also… sad about that fence. :/

    Re the seeds… you had me thinking of “Johnny Tobacco Seed” with that one! Tobacco seeds are really really tiny, aren’t they? Someone oughta smuggle millions of them to smokers down there to sprinkle around the continent. LOL!


    • junican Says:

      Tiny is the word. Side by side, you would probably be able to fit five seeds, at least, in a millimetre, or 125 seeds in a cubic mm. This year, I only let about five plants run to seed. I have thousands of seeds. I believe that there are places in the South of England where tobacco plants continue to survive in the wild from when growing the plants was popular in this country – at the sides of streams, sheltered from cold weather, for example. I read that somewhere, but I don’t know if it is true.
      Native Americans did not bother with propagators. They scattered the seeds in their plots and waited for the plants to grow, then they thinned them out. But the stronger plants would naturally crowd out the weaker ones anyway.

  5. Rose Says:

    You knew Australia had gone mad when they started banning ornamentals, having previously considered the possibility of banning nicotine containing vegetables.

    Tobacco confiscated during tax office raid

    “Yesterday the tax office spokeswoman confirmed the definition of banned tobacco had been expanded to include Nicotiana sylvestris, also known as night scented tobacco.”


    “Many commonly and widely consumed vegetables of the nightshade family (Solanaceae) such as potatoes, tomatoes, eggplants and capsicums naturally contain low levels of nicotine.
    Nicotine has also been detected in cauliflower and tea – two non-solanaceous plants.”

    “The option was raised to prevent foods such as the nightshades, known to naturally contain low levels of nicotine, from being banned.

    “Option 1 in this Proposal addresses the concerns of VicHealth by preventing the addition of nicotine to food, while permitting the sale of foods that naturally contain nicotine, such as the nightshades.”

    • junican Says:

      You have to laugh. Oz is heading for disaster when a couple of intelligent people start sprinkling seeds in warm areas, especially on Government property! What a giggle! Thousands of tobacco plants growing in the rose gardens of parks and outside Government buildings!
      I must try a little experiment in mid-summer when the ground is warm, just for fun. I must clear a patch of ground of all vegetation, say one square foot, wet the area and sprinkle some seeds on the surface and see what happens. The problem would be getting ‘warm and damp’. Perhaps a couple of plastic bottles, full of water, with holes pierced in the cap, and planted – upended – in the soil, might do the trick.
      What fun! TobcoN is teaching us things which we would never have thought possible!

      • Rose Says:

        Tobacco Control has been invaluable in increasing my knowledge of niightshade plants and a lot of other things too.

        Btw the aged parsley experiment seemed innocuous, now I’ll try it with fresh dried parsley from Morrison’s.

      • junican Says:

        Keep me informed. Thanks to TC, I now know more about the various varieties, and their tastes and aromas that I would ever have know without them. TC has been a boon!

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