Creating the Evidence

Ed, in the comments to yesterday’s post, linked me to a very interesting paper. Here is the URL:

It is a long read, but I became fascinated and read on for several hours until I finished it. It is too complicated to explain in any detail, but it is much concerned with propaganda. There are some massive claims. For example, the author claims that the whole Bible was forged in the 1400’s. The reason for the forgery was political. The author claims that, although various ‘translations’ of the Bible existed, all the original manuscripts somehow disappeared or were destroyed. For example, St Jerome, around 700AD, translated the Bible into Latin. His version was called the ‘vulgate’ version. Various ‘transcriptions’ appeared in the 1400s, but, for some strange reason, no one seemed to be able to produce an original copy of Jerome’s version. I must admit that that is weird. If people were transcribing Jerome’s version, how come no one could produce an original copy of that version? So, Jerome transcribes a version of the Bible, from earlier versions, which might have been in Hebrew or Greek, but there are no surviving copies of those older versions. There are only references to them in various texts which themselves have been lost or destroyed! The author suggests/implies that, prior to the 1400s, NO ACTUAL BIBLE EXISTED. That Christianity was a word of mouth, handed-down tradition.

But there is in fact written evidence. From a wikipedia article:

here is are pics of a couple of pieces of papyrus which contain parts of a few verses of St John’s Gospel:

Those pieces of papyri are lodged in the Rylands Library in Manchester. There is a little dispute about the date of the papyri, but around 100AD to 200AD seems to be accepted. What I personally believe (without much evidence!) is that the four apostles, Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, told their own stories of their experiences with Jesus. These stories were handed down by word of mouth and then written down. but not an awful long time after the events. By that I mean, for example, a person whose grandfather, as a young man, escaped from Pompeii when Vesuvius erupted in 79AD, might well be able to recall what his parents told him that his grandfather had said about the eruption. This would especially be so if the escaped young man settled somewhere close-by so that the volcano was still visible. You could imagine the scene:

“Your Grandad, Lucius, told us about it. He was a seaman and was on his boat, anchored in the harbour at the time. There was an enormous explosion – really deafening. The top of the mountain had disappeared and smoke and stuff was pouring into the sky. Everything was shaking. The Captain ordered us to up anchor and get away. Everybody rowed like mad while others got the sails up. We watched from a safe distance. It was horrible. We could see stuff raining down all over the area. One explosion was followed by another, again and again. We did not dare to try to go back and help others. We waited until the eruptions finished, and then we went back. Everything was buried. Pompeii was buried”.

If Lucius was 20 in 79AD and told his offspring about his experiences when he was 50, that would be in 109AD. If his offspring were 10 when he told them, and they told their offspring when they were 40, then the year would be 139AD. It is easy to see how 100 years could elapse before anyone actually wrote anything down about the personal experiences of Lucius. Is that surprising? Well, no, not at all. Writing things down was not easy or cheap in those days. Few people people could write, and so scribes had to be hired, at a cost.


But what is most important about the link is that, even 500 years ago, sophisticated propaganda was being used. And that propaganda involved creating evidence. Much of the created evidence was used to create ‘legal’ legitimacy for actions. For example, it was claimed that a Welsh ‘Prince’ discovered America long before the Spanish/Portuguese did. That claim was sufficient to ‘legally’ support the claim of ownership of all of North America on behalf of Queen Elisabeth 1.

But what really, really turned the tables was the defeat of the Spanish armada. Thereafter, Elizabethan England became the master of the seas. No doubt about it.

It was around that time that the Slave Trade really got going. I was amazed to find that, according to that blog, Sir Francis Drake, of great renown, was a slave transporter. Perhaps one should not be shocked in view of the fact that George Washington was a farmer and slave owner. Perhaps, in those days, transporting people from the misery of bare existence in Africa to the welfare of slavery in America was seen as ‘a good thing’, especially since those people were ‘saved’ by being converted from pagans  to Christianity.


I have compressed a long paper and I have more or less ignored the most ‘learned’ part, which is the machinations of the ‘politicians’ who ruled Elizabethan England. They saw themselves as Emperors of the World and tried their best to create a World Order, over which they would rule.

Do you know what?

They succeeded. It took time, but the British Empire straggled the World.

What a pity that the Yanks throttled it and substituted Eugenics.




6 Responses to “Creating the Evidence”

  1. Rose Says:

    By that I mean, for example, a person whose grandfather, as a young man, escaped from Pompeii when Vesuvius erupted in 79AD, might well be able to recall what his parents told him that his grandfather had said about the eruption. This would especially be so if the escaped young man settled somewhere close-by so that the volcano was still visible

    The Destruction of Pompeii, 79 AD
    Pliny the Younger, in letters to a friend

    • junican Says:

      Many thanks for the link, Rose.
      So within a few years, Pliny had described to Tacitus what had happened to his uncle. Clearly, Pliny was telling what he had been told since his uncle was dead. The message from Rectina (‘whose house was at the foot of the mountain, so that escape was impossible except by boat’) was interesting. One can only assume that she sent the message by horseman, because that message alerted the uncle to the seriousness of the situation, and caused him to launch the whole navy. You have to sort of read between the lines because Pliny does not spell it out. It looks as if Uncle Pliny tried to get to where he might have been able to rescue Rectina, but found the shore blocked (‘then suddenly they were in shallow water, and the shore was blocked by the debris from the mountain’). It looks as if they almost decided to give it up as hopeless, but decided to head for Stabiae to rescue Pomponianus. It looks also as though they stayed overnight at Pomponianus’s place, Stabiae being a lot further away from Vesuvius, and only decided to flee when the advancing gunge approached Stabiae. Clearly, they had to leave Uncle Pliny behind when he collapsed.
      The second letter indicates that Misenum, even though a good way from Vesuvius, was being bombarded by ash and rocks on the second day, so that the family decided to flee. It reads as though they were walking. From the text, it seems that many others were doing the same thing.
      If I remember rightly, it seems that the population of Pompeii was around 4000. 1000 bodies have been discovered, and there may be more, but it suggests that about three quarters of the population escaped. Being a port, it is likely that there would have been many boats, so that those who were most cowardly and those living nearest to the shore would have been the ones who got away first!
      But it is not impossible to envisage that many people might have set off walking in the direction of Stabiae fairly quickly after the beginning of the event, especially if they had nothing much to lose.

      I don’t know if you recall, but, a few months ago, I wrote a post about my visit to Pompeii a couple of years ago, when I was on my grand-daughters wedding cruise. I don’t know why it is, but I find such places fascinating. Just walking about on the very roughly ‘paved’ streets sends little shivers down my spine. The Yorvic Centre is similar. Even Lincoln Cathedral has its ‘ghosts’.

      I would make a definite attempt to go there again for a few days, but I have since found that most, or even all, of the villas are closed to the public. That’s no good at all. The pictures on the internet will have to suffice.

  2. garyk30 Says:

    Rose is amazing

  3. Ed Says:

    As I mentioned in an earlier post, I came across mikes blog (which is actually a rough draft for a book exposing scientology, and is probably why it sometimes seems disjointed) while I was researching the OSS and BSC. It’s a huge work covering quite a lot of things and is well worth a read.

    The information on the BSC is extremely well researched and gives you a ton of references for you to research it further yourself if you’re so inclined, including released CIA documents on many subjects.

    As an interesting aside, I found out on the site how both Ron Hubbard and the CIA worked in lock-step when trying to develop mind control drugs using nicotinic acid. :). Surely one for Rose to add to the info on tobacco! lol

    • junican Says:

      I certainly found the detailed research very revealing. For example, we tend to thing that the establishment of English colonies in America just happened. Few of us are aware that propaganda was used to persuade people to venture forth, and that, as today apropos smoking, ‘over population’ (today, read ill-health and death) justified the propaganda.
      Also (something that I did not touch on), is the Machiavellian chess game which was going on internationally at that time, which is just the same today. Only the people and the institutions are different.

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