Nicotine and Niacin (Nicotinic acid)

There is an essential vitamin known as Vitamin B3. It is called ‘Niacin’, but it was first identified as ‘Nicotinic Acid’. In fact, the name ‘Niacin’ takes the first two letters of NIcontine and ACid and the last two of VitamIN. That trick was devised to dissociate niacin from nicotine. Was the disassociation just propaganda or are the two substances actually very different? All I know is that it has been very difficult to find any information on the internet tonight which links nicotine to nicotinic acid (niocin).

Being such a curious bugger, I thrutched about on various sites (guided to some extent by Rose’s links) to see what I could find. What I was interested in was whether or not nicotine in tobacco converts into niacin when the tobacco is burnt. I hope that you see the point. If that were so, then inhaling tobacco smoke could be a way of absorbing the essential vitamin ‘nicotinic acid’ – vitamin B3.

NOT FOR ONE MINUTE am I suggesting that this is actually possible. I do not know. But I do know that Tobacco Control, as it has existed long before the present upsurge in prohibition, was adept at censoring any ‘official publications’ which were politically incorrect, even 100 years ago. As we know, NOTHING AT ALL GOOD can come from tobacco. The same is true, in Healthist circles, about alcohol, despite many studies showing that moderate alcohol consumption is good for the heart.

The question that arose in my mind was whether or not burning tobacco in a cigarette converts the nicotine, or some of it, into nicotinic acid. Is that possible?

The chemistry which describes these sort of reactions is way beyond me. They are incredibly complex, but we can use our ‘common sense’.

The chemical formula for Nicotine is C10 H14 N2. That is, 10 carbon atoms, 14 hydrogen atoms and 2 nitrogen atoms. In a ‘normal’ temperature state, all these atoms are arranged in a stable configuration. In tobacco, among all the other chemical entities, there are lots of independent molecules of nicotine mixed in with all the other stuff, like H2O.

Here is the chemical formula for Niacin:

C6 H5 N O2.

Can you see the significant difference? Apart from the numbers of atoms of each element, what is different is the addition of ‘O’ (Oxygen). So, niacin consists of the basic elements of nicotine plus oxygen. How does the Oxygen get into the molecule and how is the original molecule of Nicotine broken up?

“On exposure to ultraviolet light or various oxidizing agents, nicotine is converted to nicotine oxide, nicotinic acid (vitamin B3), and methylamine.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicotine#Chemistry

(Under the heading “Chemistry”)

What is the meaning of the phrase ‘various oxidizing agents’ in the quote? What more simple ‘oxidising agent’ is there than burning? Thus, there is no reason to suppose that smoking tobacco does not introduce the essential B3 vitamin, niacin, into the human body.

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You see, it is impossible to trust the ‘Tobacco Control’ syndicate, especially since it is built upon Government Monopoly. The whole thing, world-wide, is exactly the same as medieval witch-hunts. There is no difference at all. The ‘World Government’ is a Cromwellian World.

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If you are interested in such things, the planet VENUS is very big in the West. It always is at this time of year – I cannot be bothered to work out why this is so. At this time, about 3 am, I looked out while letting the silly cat out. Venus is to the left of the Moon and a little higher in the sky. It is very big and bright.

I have a theory which could never be tested. It is that ‘shepherds who watch their flocks by night’ knew that the Earth was round (a sphere) long before any philosopher appeared on the scene. You do not have to be particularly clever to look into the sky at night and see that everything in it is round. I could well imagine a shepherd having a conversation with his friends and saying, “Look. Every night I watch the flock and watch the heavens. Everything in the sky is round. Further, it does not make sense that all the stuff in the sky is going around us. For example, if I spin myself around, everything seems to be going around me. If everything, and I mean EVERYTHING seems to be going around me, it can only be because I am spinning”

It may be that only one in a thousand shepherds understood, and they might have been shouted down, but, sooner or later, some Patrician, with nothing to do and bored, might have heard about Shep Hamed’s theory. He takes it up and elaborates it and comes to the conclusion of ‘Astrology’.

Commerce drives.

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When a person inhales the burnt product of a cig, does he inhale nicotine or oxidised nicotine?  It is hard to imagine that he does not inhale oxidised nicotine – aka Niacin.

Only Tobacco Companies have the money to fight Tobacco Control. They do not need the BMJ, Lancet or whatever. They can create their own journal. It is a common phenomenon these days that it is commercially better to pretend to care about the individual while pushing generalisation. But it is hard not to succumb. Who would pay £20 for a product when they can get the same thing for £15?

Government regulations just make things worse.

 

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8 Responses to “Nicotine and Niacin (Nicotinic acid)”

  1. Rose Says:

    As luck would have it, I posted all the evidence on Frank’s blog a few days ago.

    https://cfrankdavis.wordpress.com/2015/02/05/suggestions-please/#comment-112212

    That saves a trip to the dungeon.

    The Journal of the American Medical Association – 1942

    “A poor name is a handicap to the promotion of a meritorious product. The name “nicotinic acid” for the vitamin so important in the prevention of pellagra has been doubly unfortunate. To the general public the word “nicotinic” implies too strongly the relationship of this vitamin to nicotine, the chief alkaloid of tobacco often used as an insecticide. The term “acid” denotes a corrosive substance such as the liquid used in automobile storage batteries. The vitamin called “nicotinic acid” was first produced in the laboratory in 1867 by the oxidation of nicotine with potassium chromate and sulfuric acid. Later the compound was named nicotinic acid because it had been made from nicotine and it had the ability to form salts. As a laboratory curiosity, which it remained for over seventy years, nicotinic acid was adequately named.
    From the point of view of those interested in furthering the distribution of foods enriched with this dietary essential the name has proved unsuitable.”

    What they didn’t know was that, pleased with the possibility of advertising that there were vitamins in cigarettes, the tobacco companies had already done the experiments on tobacco smoke from burning cigarettes.

    They decided that someone would have to smoke an “unfeasible” number of cigarettes to get their RDA and so didn’t bother.

    • junican Says:

      First, ‘Tony’ has sent me an email comment about ‘Rose’s Garden’. He has copies, apparently, and can let you have then. I have sent you and email with his email address.

      —–

      So, according to TC experiments, cig smoke does contain niacin, but in tiny quantities.

      Interesting…..

  2. Rose Says:

    Brought forward.

    That would also mean that vapers are not inhaling the same stuff as smokers. They are inhaling actual nicotine and not niacin

    How the nicotine patch was invented.

    Raw nicotine is nasty stuff, it has a whole illness to itself

    “Green tobacco sickness (GTS) is an illness resulting from dermal exposure to dissolved nicotine from wet tobacco leaves; it is characterized by nausea, vomiting, weakness, and dizziness and sometimes fluctuations in blood pressure or heart rate”
    http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00020119.htm

    Beware of neversmokers trying to help.
    It was while he was investigating GTS he got the idea. When he couldn’t get permission to try it on anyone, he tried it on himself.

    Spot the serious mistake in this statement.

    “We put the tobacco on our skin and waited to see what would happen,” Jarvik recalled. “Our heart rates increased, adrenaline began pumping, all the things that happen to smokers.”

    http://newsroom.ucla.edu/releases/obituary-murray-e-jarvik-85-ucla-50218

    “The ironic twist is that he never smoked a day in his life. He was one of the most rabid anti-smokers you can imagine,”
    http: //www.seattlepi.com/local/article/Dr-Murray-Jarvik-1923-2008-He-helped-invent-1273103.php

    Perhaps if the American Medical Association had not tried to obscure the connection between niacin and nicotine in 1942, even a neversmoker wouldn’t have made such a mistake.

    The irony being, if the tobacco company documents hadn’t been published online as part of the MSA, we would never have known for sure.

    • junican Says:

      Jarvik is just as dead as are the smokers he despised. And his patches don’t work.
      Was his ‘mistake’ really a mistake or just another TobCon wild exaggeration?

      • Rose Says:

        I think the mistake was genuine, I did wonder about his motivation until I read this letter.

        I’ll have to give it in full because tobaccodocuments have closed down and it doesn’t seem to be on Legacy.

        Murray Jarvik (co-inventor of the nicotine patch)

        Re: Possible Virtues of Cigarette Smoking – 1964

        Alexander Holtzman
        47 Plaza Street
        Brooklyn,
        New York

        Dear Mr. Holtzman,

        I have decided to sent you my latest thoughts on possible virtues of cigarette smoking in the form of a letter because I feel this form is less formal than a separate presentation and I feel less inhibited.
        As I see it all of the emphasis during the past few years has been on the dangers of smoking and practically nobody has been interested in studying the beneficial effects.

        It may be because this is harder to do, but it also stems,I believe from the interests of special groups.
        The American Cancer Society is interested in cancer and the American Heart Association is interested in cardiovascular disease and, rather naturally, they tend to be rather narrow in their interest in a problem. THe Public Health Service Commission on Smoking and Health was primarily concerned with physical health and that is why they devoted less than two pages to psychological effects of smoking in their recent report.

        I think that there is little doubt that smoking is more likely to have a deleterious rather than a beneficial effect on physical health.It would be difficult to find evidence that it directly prevents somatic disease although there is a survey of such uses (Larson, Haag, and Silvette pp736-796)
        For example tobacco infusions have been successfully used a vermifuge but the dangers are great and much better treatments are available. It has been used in the treatment of such conditions as asthma, croup, nasal polyp, tuberculosis etc etc but there is little acceptable evidence of efficacy. It appears that one must seek the desirable properties of tobacco use primarily in psychological effects rather than in physical actions. There may, however, be psychosomatic effects which are highly desirable and could be ascribed to tobacco.

        The reason people will give for smoking is that they derive pleasure from the habit. It is most difficult to define pleasure and psychologists have struggled with the concept for a long time.”

        “It is interesting that the use of these agents has been severely condemned by groups and individuals.
        Prohibitionists actually succeeded in outlawing the sale and production of alcoholic beverages for a while.
        It is difficult to know whether the movement was motivated by a concern for health or for moral righteousness.
        Much of the fervour for restricting pleasurable activities can be traced to antiquity and has been interpreted as a form of sado-masochism by psychiatrists.

        Almost all of the major religions of the world have severe restrictions upon activities which are enjoyed by other religions and include strictures against eating beef, pork, animal foods, against coffee, alcohol, smoking and against sexual intercourse ( only in selected individuals )

        In some cases isolation and the infliction of physical pain have been considered virtuous.
        In our country such attitudes have come to be known as our Puritan heritage although the sources are really more diverse and they have had a profound effect upon behaviour and the nature of the laws that govern us.

        Psychiatrists and theologians sometimes do not see eye to eye in their evaluation of such restrictions.”

        http://tobaccodocuments.org/ness/4598.html

      • Rose Says:

        There was a lot more of that letter, but the only bit left now is the bit that I copied in hopes that people would go and read the rest.

  3. garyk30 Says:

    Just a thought.
    Nicotine vaporizes at 477 degrees F.
    This is well below the temp reached by cigarettes.
    I have no idea if that would change the chemical properties; but, the O2 would be gone in the process.

    Temperature without drawing:
    Side of the lit portion: 400 deg C (or 752 deg F)
    Middle of the lit portion: 580 deg C (or 1112 deg F)

    Temperature during drawing:
    Middle of the lit portion: 700 deg C (or 1292 deg F)

    The above numbers represent the average we obtained by performing several trials and can be considered accurate to within 50 deg C. A standard Fe-CuNi digital thermocouple thermometer was used in all trials.

    • junican Says:

      There is a lot of water vapour in tobacco smoke and therefore a lot of Oxygen. On puffing, the temp rises to 700C, but then cools rapidly as the smoke passes through the cigarette. Who knows what chemical reactions occur during that phase?
      I suspect that the reason for the claim that there are 10,000 (is that all at the moment?) chemicals in tobacco smoke is that each change in temp (down as well as up) will cause minute changes in the atom counts of all the various substances in the tobacco material, and that many of the changes will ‘stick’.
      Well…… Something like that.

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