No Going Back

I have been in several minds about what to discuss tonight. I had a night off last night while JB from Ireland and I entered into serious discussions about our curing boxes/cabinets and and the efficacy thereof. We are working it through, and gaining a lot of practical knowledge. Curing results are getting better and better, without creating more effort; in fact, the effort is lessening. There are three things for us amateur curers to be concerned about – temperature, humidity and airflow. Unless one wants a specific tobacco product specification, like Cuban cigars, there is lots of leeway.


But curing is not my topic tonight.

I went to the pub tonight, as is my wont on Wednesdays. There had been an England football match on the TV, albeit, only a friendly. When I went in, there were four people inside – four guys who might have gone in to watch the match together. Other than them, there was no one in the pub. It might well be that, had the England match not been on the TV in the pub, there might well have been NO ONE in the pub except me.


I do not think that it is possible for the ‘vast edifices’ of big pubs to survive. Their custom seems to be going less and less. Some might prosper, but most will decline. They cannot rely upon catering, since there is enormous competition. They are in serious trouble – and yet it seems that Wetherspoons intends to ban ecigs!!! It tried to ban smoking before The Act, but had to retract damn quickly. Is the owner of Wetherspoons one of the ‘linked-in’ Zealots? He/She must be.


But it doesn’t matter, because there is no way back. The magnificent edifices of big pubs are doomed. When the smoking ban is inevitably relaxed, then small bars, with low costs, will inevitably appear, much as they they exist in Spain, etc. It really is very obvious, and, as an idea, is dependent upon the collapse of PROHIBITION  in the USA. Remember that PROHIBITION included tobacco in many States.

It is only a matter of time before a pubco collapses. The reason is that their ‘business plans’ depend upon dispensing with uneconomic pubs. But who is going to buy them? I dare say that some idiot will pay money to take the pub from the Pubco. Such a person would be stupid because the pubco ought to be paying him to take over the pub and relieve the pubco of responsibility.


What is clear is that the Tobacco Control Industry has had the cooperation of OUR RULERS. Those people, whom we are supposed to have elected, have devastated our centuries-old social system. Living longer, in a sort of limbo of neither being alive or dead, is of no advantage to anyone. Politicians could reverse the prohibition in a moment – easy-peasy. But what is more important is that the Political Parties should rid themselves of the ‘special interest’ MPs, such as Williams MP, Blackman MP, etc. What is appalling is that no other MPs seem to give a shit about the destructive effects of the ‘special interest’ MPs. The EMOTION, emitted by the ‘special interest’ MPs, seems to numb the brains of the others, whatever their party might be.


Young people will enjoy tobacco, or ecstasy, or whatever. Prohibiting tobacco will drive these youths to more dangerous substances. After all, according to THE STUDIES, tobacco harm takes decades to surface. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A TOBACCO OVERDOSE. Would there be a FCTC treaty if smoking tobacco was rare?


The reason for the anti-ecig phenomenon is simple. The ecig might melt the ‘iron triangle’.  The reason that Zealots like Chapman and Glantz are so anti-ecig is that ecigs have halted their tobacco prohibition demands, because they have taken control out of the hands Chapman et al.


Chapman, Glantz et al will no doubt survive, and collect their pensions. The People whom they have persecuted have paid for their pensions. Academia is riddled with snake-oil salesmen.


Academia must be filtered.


5 Responses to “No Going Back”

  1. moss Says:

    Junican, I suppose that traditions like, pubs, where people had a get-together will in due time phase out just like the coffee houses of the 17/18th century. This is to be expected, and we don’t practise archery any longer, and we certainly don’t have parring matches/clog fights, any more, well, – ‘possibly in Atherton.’ lol.
    Change is constantly upon us.
    The thing that never changes is the pyramidal structure of society.
    Your recent comment with the triangular diagram, or sequence of events could well have been illustrated by the Egyptians, or the Druids!
    The interesting thing about the diagram, ‘from my point of view’ was that the people at the top of the apex ,retain the power and influence to control and govern the the influx at the base. It’s difficult to place in a box diagram the amount of corruption that is employed. There are too many ways of denying that such things take place, and there are too many scapegoats in case things go wrong.

    The pyramid structure which you were kind enough to relay could be interpreted as a blue-print for an on-going certainty to stay in power – even if it means a change of face from time to time. For me, it is analogous to nuclear power. Just a thought!

  2. west2 Says:

    I suppose that traditions like, pubs, where people had a get-together will in due time phase out just like the coffee houses of the 17/18th century/

    Pubs predated coffee houses. Someone made a similar comment on the Pub Curmudgeon the other day. I gave the example of the Crown and Treaty in Uxbridge, where the Treaty of Uxbridge was discussed with Charles I in 1645, as a pub that went through various phases and yet still survives.

    Pub history goes back much further, some say Roman times. There were pubs for all types. Now there are not. There is still a market for Pubs yet govt regulation means it can not be fully exploited. Is the decline due to regulation or changes in consumer fashion?

    Weatherspoons tested regulation pre-ban. The test demonstrated that banning smoking in pubs was a bad idea and catered for very few. Customers went elsewhere. When they stopped the test, customers returned.

    Do customers always return? It is suggested that badly run pubs lose customers and close. Pre-ban customers would switch to another pub, now, it seems, they stop going to pubs altogether. Why? Is it badly run pubs or regulation itself?

    There is a fashion associated with individual pubs and a decline in pub-going. This used to go in phases. Has regulation brought these phases to an end?

    Weatherspoons are again testing the waters with the banning of Vaping and more recently, in some pubs, banning smoking in beer gardens, We await the results of these tests.

    • Junican Says:

      A couple of years ago, I went to Pompeii. As you know, Pompeii was buried by the Vesuvius eruption about 50AD (or was it BC?). It remained so until 1800 or so.
      There were many taverns. You might like to read this – it is just a short summary:

      In total, he found 158. “That’s quite a lot for a small town of 12,000 to 15,000 people,” he says. ..

      My main point is that the smoking ban will have almost certainly affected fashions. If the ban is ever repealed, I suspect that smaller bars would be the main beneficiary, since they are the sort of ‘pubs’ which have least overheads.

      • west2 Says:

        Interesting, thanks.

        Small pubs may well be the initial beneficiaries until fashion changes. Maybe then new ‘pub chains’ will form followed by larger venues etc. Fashion goes in cycles, except perhaps the return of bell bottoms!

      • Junican Says:

        Yes, fashion goes in cycles. If small bars became viable and fashionable, it would not be long before some entrepreneur create a big small bar. But I doubt that the ‘huge edifices’ will survive.

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