Blather and the EU

I have been reading quite a lot about the EU, the WHO and the UN tonight. It always amuses me to read how people tie themselves into knots over things like ‘how to leave the EU’; it seems that the UK would have to invoke Article 50, or something that that previous government of the UK agreed to.

The reality is very different.

It is no accident that Treaties are not passed by Parliament. They are agreed by whatever current government exists. Sure, there will be discussions in Parliament, but when it comes down to actually signing the Treaty the government of the day simply does it. Thus, the existing government at the time agrees, with other governments in other states, to abide by the Treaty. As I understand it, there are lots of treaties still ‘on the books’, but which time has rendered obsolete.  The odd thing about that situation is that there is nothing that can be done about them. They are still theoretically in existence, but have ‘lapsed’. One could imagine, for example, England having a treaty with Spain a couple of hundred years ago, that in return for England only providing the oak planks to make galleons, Spain only will provide cloth to England for sails. When sailing ships succumbed to steam, so would that treaty have succumbed.

The reality of the Lisbon Treaty is that the UK could withdraw at any time that it wishes to simply by ignoring it. It really is as simple as that. I know that, in reality, it is far more complex, but that is essentially true. Just pull the plug.

What can the rest of the signatories to the Lisbon Treaty do? Will they declare war on the UK? Not very likely. Will they expel the UK to the outer darkness of trade bans? Hardly likely since lots of EU countries depend upon trade with the UK. And what about the City of London’s predominance in financial markets? And the UK’s armed forces? Despite cutbacks, our armed forces are still stronger than any other in the EU. The tyrants in Brussels would be very loath to lose the UK’s military power.


The above is just a straightforward statement of reality in principle. A Treaty is only as good as the actual implementations of the agreement. If the Treaty’s obligations are not implemented, then the Treaty is worthless. However, it is possible to pay lip service to some aspects of the Treaty while actually doing little or nothing to implement the terms of that aspect. For example, Greece has given up on the FCTC treaty and decided to sell licences to establishments to permit smoking. In Greece, hardly any establishment is enforcing the smoking ban. The government there has given up trying, and so it has come up with a new wheeze – it will enforce the licence system! It seems that Turkey has the same idea.


There is a point to the above meanderings. It seems that the WHO/UN have decided to add e-cigs to the FCTC ‘Treaty’. The ‘Framework Convention of Tobacco Control’ is nothing more nor less than a simple treaty. Despite the fact that some 160 states signed the treaty, their obligations extend no further than they wish to accept. I remember Milton MP, as Health Minister, claiming that the UK was legally obliged to enforce the treaty. Silly person! She clearly had no idea what she was talking about. No wonder that she was sacked.

The WHO has no authority to change the treaty. It would have to propose a change regarding e-cigs to the General Assembly. It will try to do so, and might well get away with it. But, as we have seen regarding the attitude of Greece and Turkey, it strikes me that the FCTC treaty is on shaky ground. Some nations, even though they signed it, are gradually disassociating themselves from it ‘de facto’.

One of the things that amuses me is the gradual elimination of ASH ET AL. They have served their purpose in the grand plan. They have no option but to support e-cigs, because of their previous pronouncements. But the WHO is not so constrained. It can TRY to enforce the demands of its masters, Big Pharma.


In a simplistic way, it is possible to understand the thinking of the ‘great and the good’ when European integration was first envisaged. The idea was pretty simple. In the past three centuries or so, several wars have occurred in Europe. But only in recent times have battles raged for months at a time. In the days of Wellington (vis Waterloo) major battles occurred over the time period of one day. Maritime battles, such as Trafalgar with Lord Nelson, lasted one day. I suspect that even Wellington and Lord Nelson would have been horrified at the idea of the slaughter of WW1. What changed the scenario, in my opinion, was the advent of the machine gun. Because of that weapon, a battle no longer depended upon which army had the greatest numbers.

The idea of stopping European wars was and is a hugely important objective. I further agree, vaguely, that it is important to stop wars occurring anywhere in the world. I see the imperative of US/EU attacks on the dictator in Libya. However, the justification is lacking. Was Libya taken over by the UN and administered by the UN? No, it was not.


Finally for tonight.

It seems that the WHO has decided to add e-cigs to the FCTC Treaty. Well, good for them! I hope that they get away with it. I hope that they add EVER SOURCE OF NICOTINE to the Treaty. I hope that the likes of Cameron/Milliband/the boy, Clegg make speeches in support. How can they avoid doing so when they have already passed Acts which condemn parents who do not comply with academic THINKING about how they treat their own children?



13 Responses to “Blather and the EU”

  1. Harleyrider1978 Says:

    Cousin it simply means they’ve given up on tobacco control. Im seeing it happening everywhere nowadays. Groups basically saying it isn’t working nobodys obeying any of it any longer. Even Victoria Australia is considering smoking spots in the city making it seem like its a new move to ban smoking everywhere in the city out of doors. Yet they are actually saying they cant enforce it and nobodies obeying the laws as they are.

  2. Harleyrider1978 Says:

    I think we are seeing all the political parties at the entrance to its time to dump the TC agenda and move on..

  3. Harleyrider1978 Says:

    I cant even hardly find a fight anymore save a few………….weve just flat out whipped the bastards.

    • Junican Says:

      I think that they are gradually destroying themselves.We cannot possibly be the only people who look at the latest junk science and scoff. The problem at the moment is that the politicians are still terrified of being accused of killing babies.

  4. michaeljmcfadden Says:


    On this I would have to disagree. The WHO has very worthwhile and important work to do in the area of reducing diseases like cholera, malaria, etc, and also very important work in the event of some sort of true worldwide airborne pandemic spreading like lightning courtesy of the low ventilation smoke-free airplanes.

    What needs to change are the WHO’s priorities and direction. Aside from some assistive level of educational work about things like smoking and drinking and cooking over dung fires in poorly ventilated huts, it should not be involved in changing people’s voluntary behaviors. The amount of money it has wasted on “tobacco control” has almost certainly cost the lives of millions and probably tens of millions of people by this point, and, if it continues down this path, that toll could easily rise into the hundreds of millions. They will argue of course that they have “saved” lives through prevention of lung cancers etc in people largely 60 through 90 years old, but meanwhile, even if that is true, they ignore the millions of children who die painful deaths in their own watery bowel movements without ever having really tasted life at all.

    The WHO needs to change, not become irrelevant.

    – MJM

    • Junican Says:

      Well, MjM, the statement was a nice soundbite! Of course, it would be nice if the WHO got out of politics and did the job that it was intended to do, as you describe. I am sure that there are parts of the WHO which still spend their time, effort and money on good works. It is the whole edifice of the FCTC which is like a leach attached to the body of the WHO which needs to be eliminated. When I said ‘become irrelevant’, I was speaking of the political interference in the affairs of nation states.

  5. Harleyrider1978 Says:

    Michael the WHO is so corrupt theres truly only one way to correct its wrongs at least that will satisfy the people/victims and that’s the total destruction of it. Can you guarantee that if it was cleansed that the Nazis in it would actually be purged or like with the prohibitionists of past decades simply put on a new face,realign their campaign in secret only to build that organization back to what it was.

    That’s where we have our problem,we have within the WHO and the rest of the UN and EU these same Nazi styled nannyists that aren’t going to just go away or even leave their posts.

    While external pressure will bring an end to the reign of terror it wont remove those responsible that caused the reign of terror or their minions and off spring from getting in there and brining it back.

    We must destroy the organization itself to remove another world wide threat and another worthless world treaty against whatever may come.

    A massive epidemic could be better handled if the nations were wholly independent again and shut down their borders and enforce their immigration laws. These illegals get no shots,no physicals,no nothing and bring the age old diseases back with them to create old threats as now new threats to the whole world not just in America.

    It seems to me Nationalism and isolationism are now the proscribed answer to the UN and WHO problems………..

  6. Harleyrider1978 Says:

    The war begins……….when they should be kissing Nigels arse and begging for a coalition government with him as PM

    Britain’s Tory ‘Establishment’ Goes to War With UKIP ahead of May Elections

    Leading Conservative Party figures, working with Times newspaper journalists, have thrown the gauntlet down before the UK Independence Party ahead of the European Elections next month. UKIP hit back following yesterday’s story by the Times that its leader Nigel Farage was ‘under investigation’ by European authorities over his expenses claims, causing uproar within Conservative ranks.

    UKIP stated that the Times’ source for its story alleging Farage misappropriated £15,500 from the European Parliament was a “a convicted fraudster serving a suspended sentence, whose allegations are unfounded and vexatious”. Over the course of yesterday it emerged that not only was the Times’ original source spurious, but that the ‘investigation’ by the European Anti-Fraud body (OLAF) was hardly of substance, as the organisation is persistently used by political parties as a means to embarrass opponents.

    Further to this, another Times source, David Samuel-Camps, wrote to the paper making clear that the story has distorted his responses to the questions posed. He said: “I am extremely concerned that in your report you have distorted my responses to your questions regarding the Lyminster office costs. To the best of knowledge and belief I was completely honest in my answers and resent the fact that those answers have been completely distorted. I did warn you that there is a small minority who are ‘mischief makers’ – one in particular who would go to any lengths to destroy Mr Farage’s reputation.”

    But the Times has doubled down on the story, instead of publishing corrections and apologies as one might expect. UKIP allege that this is because of the paper’s links to the Conservative Party, citing numerous high-profile, David Cameron allies inside the paper.

    UKIP states that Lord Finkelstein, the Times’ executive editor and Tory peer, “has in the past been embarrassed by claims that he has written speeches for Osborne while simultaneously working as Times chief leader writer.”

    The eurosceptic party also names Matthew Parris, Alice Thomson, Hugo Rifkind, Rachel Sylvester, Tim Montgomerie, and Alexi Mostrous, all of whom are either known to be hostile to UKIP, or maintain familial and professional ties to the Conservative Party.

    The Conservative ‘establishment’ has hit back at these claims, rallying around their Times colleagues. Another former Conservative MP, Paul Goodman, took to the pages of ConservativeHome to mock UKIP’s allegations that there is some sort of conspiracy against them from within Britain’s political establishment – even though the hostility and campaigning is already well documented. Goodman admits in his piece that he is also a columnist for the Times, though he insists his latest piece is not about UKIP.

    • Junican Says:

      I suspect that the Tories are too late. Those who have decided to vote UKIP in next month’s elections are hardly likely to be swayed by smears at the last moment. I suspect that the Tory planners think that, if Maria Miller can be sunk by an expenses ‘allegation’, then so can Nigel. I’ll be very, very surprised if it works.

  7. beobrigitte Says:

    There is a point to the above meanderings. It seems that the WHO/UN have decided to add e-cigs to the FCTC ‘Treaty’.

    The FCTC ‘Treaty’ is a pointless exercise – any government can just exit it.
    The first government to do so might just cause a landslide of other governments following it’s example.

    The WHO? In my view it needs to be dissolved as it does more harm than good.

    • Junican Says:

      It may be that many governments have latched onto the recommendation to increase duty on tobacco in the expectation of continuously increasing income. If everyone does the same thing at the same time (increasing taxes), then the ‘addiction’ of smokers will keep the lolly rolling in. You can bet a pound to a penny that, if the FCTC actually worked to seriously cut tobacco sales, then governments would run a mile.
      I must admit that I am really talking about reform than abolition as regards the WHO. It seems to have fallen into the trap of trying to stop death from occurring.

  8. prog Says:

    UKIP should keep a digital/written record of all interviews with the media.

  9. artbylisabelle Says:

    Reblogged this on artbylisabelle and commented:
    Ignorance is the law and the Citizens are the 99% tile.

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