The Letter to Councillor: BMA Scotland Debate: the Nicotine Content of Vegetables: YouGov Again: The Australian Seizure

This post is a bit of a round up.

The Letter.

Done and dusted. Ready to post tomorrow. The letter is as outlined yesterday with a couple of minor amendments from suggestions. As I said yesterday, I’ll be surprised if I even get an acknowledgement. If I do, the response will no doubt repeat the ASH ET AL propaganda line. But that is not the reason for the letter. The reason is ensure that at least one person has written to him to point out the deceptions. What he does is up to him.

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The BMA (Scotland) Debate.

A few days ago I wrote a post about a debate to be held at a meeting of the above group:

https://boltonsmokersclub.wordpress.com/2014/03/12/the-british-medical-association-scotland-hate-ecigs/

Essentially, to the Zealots in the BMA (Scotland) want strict medicinal regulation and that ecigs must only be sold along-side cessation products. The debate seems to have taken place and here is what the BMA website says:

http://bma.org.uk/news-views-analysis/news/2014/march/doctors-seek-e-cigarette-ban-in-public-places

One of the interesting things that I noticed was this:

Doctors at the BMA Scottish local medical committees conference…..” ….. So this conference was not a full BMA (Scotland) conference but a local medical committees conference. One wonders who the members of such committees are. The probability is that they are busy-body zealots. There was no mention of how many people attended or how the voting went. The delegates just decided.

As I said before, I welcome this decision because it just goes to show how bigoted these people are. They are not really interested in the health of individuals at all. If they were, then they would be encouraging people to use them and  calling upon the Scottish Government to give ecig retailers and manufacturers a tax break. They make it perfectly clear that what they want is control of ecigs. What we are seeing is blind panic at the idea that people are taking control into their own hands. They know very well that the machines already bear a logo indicating that they have been tested and are safe. They know very well that the liquid is nowhere near as dangerous as has been suggested. It is not viciously acidic/alkaline. I have had it on my fingers and one just wipes it off like any other liquid.

An amusing statement in the write-up is this:

“Scottish public health minister Michael Matheson has already said he wanted to see action to limit advertising and promotion of e-cigarettes, and that the case for restricting e-cigarette sales to young people ‘made sense’.”  Note my highlight. That means that the Minister’s statement is not a consequence of the conference decision. The inclusion of that sentence is a typical TC trick. But more, isn’t the ‘quote’ rather the wrong way round? Should it not read that the Minister really, really wants restrictions on the access of kids (and not just ‘makes sense’), while thinking vaguely of the advertising of ecigs? Whatever, the comments of the Minister hardly count as enthusiastic.

Another comical bit is this:

“She said: ‘We welcomed the decision by the MHRA to regulate all nicotine-containing products, including e-cigarettes.”

Does she not know that the MHRA has changed its tune? It now intends to ‘take into consideration the EU provisions’ and to ‘keep an eye on the situation’. It knows that courts in the EU and the USA have already knocked back the idea of medicinal regulation. Frankly, I don’t think that this doctor knows. Nor do I believe that she knows that potatoes and tomatoes are ‘nicotine containing products’. Rose gave me a link to an article in the New England Journal of Medicine dated 1993:

http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM199308053290619

The Nicotine Content of Common Vegetables.

[I hope that you will be able t0 enlarge the table. If not, go to the link and do it there]

An interesting thing about that table is that it shows that a person would get the same amount of nicotine from 19.2 grams of puréed tomatoes as from SHS in a lightly smoky room for three hours.  Another example is potatoes – 140 grams. I have just weighed one medium sized potato – it weighed 190 grams. So a person producing the substance ‘cotinine’ (as a result of metabolising nicotine) might just as easily have got it from eating potatoes as from SHS. These facts have been known since 1993, but are never mentioned.

Here is what Dr Siegel has just said about third-hand smoke:

http://tobaccoanalysis.blogspot.co.uk/

The rest of the story is that this is complete garbage.

It is truly depressing to me to watch this – day in and day out.

When the tobacco industry decided – sometime back around 2000 or so – to stop monitoring tobacco control science and to just let us say anything we wanted to – I thought they had made a poor decision. But in retrospect, I think it may have been brilliant. They apparently knew that before long, without the restraints of having to answer to Big Tobacco’s public questioning, our science would deteriorate and we would just start saying anything we wanted to. Unrestrained, the tobacco control movement’s scientific rigor would fall to such a low level that we would end up discrediting ourselves and undermining our own credibility.

Well, we’re there. We’re officially there.

I’m sure I’ll have more to say about this later. But for now, I’m just too damn depressed.

Sillier and sillier, more and more desperate does the Tobacco Control Industry become day by day.

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YouGov again.

It is hard to believe, but I have had another copy of the survey which included questions about smoking, ecigs and intention to quit. Again, I gave the same answers: I smoke every day, I also use ecigs, I have no intention of quitting. That is five times that I have completed the same survey. Erm…. What sort of control does YouGov have over who it sends surveys to? Can it deliberately send the same survey to chosen people over and over again? If it was an accident, how could it occur? It seems to me to be statistically impossible for me to receive this same survey five times spread over three personae if these surveys are supposed to be a random selection of some 10,000 out of 600,000. In any case, you would think that, once an email address has been surveyed, it would be impossible for that same email address to be again surveyed. What is going on? Is Kelner (owner of YouGov and a board member of ASH) also in a panic?

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The Australian Tobacco Plant Seizure. 

Snowdon has the story:

http://velvetgloveironfist.blogspot.co.uk/2014/03/35000-tobacco-plants-seized-in.html

35,000 tobacco plants seized.

I might not have put two and two together had it not been for seeing that story. The thing is that my post of some months ago about the law of growing tobacco plants in Australia has suddenly had an increase in views of some ten times normal. In fact, views of this site from Australia were the highest of all earlier today. Now I see why. I hope that our cousins down-under gain a little solace from my research into the Australian law. (Briefly, Australia has had a law since 1901 regulating tobacco plantations. Only people with permissions can grow tobacco plants in Australia. I don’t know why, although it rather looks as though it was a piece of protectionism for the aristocrats of the time) I know that many people in Australia grow their own on a small scale, untroubled by the powers-that-be.

But 35,000 plants!!!

OK. Suppose that it is true. They may have been seedlings, I suppose. But the really important thing, if it is true, is that the Tobacco Control BUSTING Industry is thriving. Tobacco Companies stopped growing tobacco plants in Australia not a long time ago. All their leaf is imported. I wonder why they took that decision? You would think that, like America and certain other countries, there would be large tracks of Australia with just the right soil and climate for growing tobacco plants. Were these companies aware that their operations were about to be disrupted and condemned? I suspect so. I can see no other reason.

35,000 plants! I suppose that it is possible that there were many, many individuals growing, say, 100 plants each. That would require 350 people. It is not beyond imagining, but it would also take an awful lot of police time to organise the ‘hit’ all at once. But it is also comical when you think that the lost production can be replaced by illicit imports within a couple of weeks.

The Australian government has fashioned a rod for its own back. It must have cost ten times the value of the tobacco plants to seize them.

UPDATE 19th 2.30 pm.

Thanks to Fred Karno in the comments, here is a link to a report from Australia:

http://www.geelongadvertiser.com.au/news/police-seize-35000-tobacco-plants-from-moorabool-plantation/story-fnjuhxh0-1226858499386

The plants were indeed growing to maturity in the open! But shrouded from sight, other than from the air. There are other reports which Fred links to.

On second thoughts, it looks as though the frames of the plantation might have been covered over. In the pic below, the ‘shed’ on the left certainly seems to be covered:

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bi-RIlECAAAOXOS.jpg:medium

My! What a lot of trouble and expense these people went to! There must be an awful lot of profit involved.

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It seems to me that Tobacco Control is split from top to bottom. That should have been expected for years. It is the consequence of MONOPOLY. It is almost certain that the travails of the EU are also a consequence of MONOPOLY. Monopoly equals stagnation and ‘one size fits all’. It is totalitarian, and, in so far as it is enforced, it is fascist.

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5 Responses to “The Letter to Councillor: BMA Scotland Debate: the Nicotine Content of Vegetables: YouGov Again: The Australian Seizure”

  1. BMA Scotland Debate: the Nicotine Content of Ve... Says:

    […] This post is a bit of a round up. The Letter: Done and dusted. Ready to post tomorrow. The letter is as outlined yesterday with a couple of minor amendments from suggestions. As I said yesterday, I’ll be surprised if I even get an acknowledgement. If I do, the response will no doubt repeat the ASH ET AL propaganda line. But that is not the reason for the letter. The reason is ensure that at least one person has written to him to point out the deceptions. What he does is up to him.  […]

  2. Fred Karno Says:

    Google has lots re this. https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=australia+tobacco+35000+plants+photo&client=opera&hs=0XW&channel=suggest&biw=1280&bih=573&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=PDwpU4-ZJ4KThQf55YGoDA&ved=0CCoQsAQ

  3. cherie79 Says:

    You are not the only one, I had that same survey again too and gave the same answers.

    • junican Says:

      You too? I think that something must have gone wrong with YouGov’s computer system. Frankly, it might be worth sending them a message about it. I should imagine that this cock-up would render their findings inadmissible.

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